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		<title>By: D</title>
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		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 19:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, so many Liefeld fans butthurting!

Jesus christ, Liefeld has way too much ego and undeserved respect despite having all the anatomical knowledge and creativity of a 12-year-old sparkledog weeaboo. ...No, I&#039;m sorry, that&#039;s insulting the preteen sparkledog weeaboo. Liefeld doesn&#039;t even try to put any effort into learning.

Just stop crying and go draw some fanart.</description>
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<p>Jesus christ, Liefeld has way too much ego and undeserved respect despite having all the anatomical knowledge and creativity of a 12-year-old sparkledog weeaboo. &#8230;No, I&#8217;m sorry, that&#8217;s insulting the preteen sparkledog weeaboo. Liefeld doesn&#8217;t even try to put any effort into learning.</p>
<p>Just stop crying and go draw some fanart.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 03:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the greatest thing that has ever happened. Thank you, sir, for doing what needed to be done.

So damn funny.</description>
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<p>So damn funny.</p>
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		<title>By: _w</title>
		<link>http://superfunadventuretime.com/2009/08/09/avengers-avenged/comment-page-17/#comment-9371</link>
		<dc:creator>_w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A long time ago I had a moment like the one YellowHat had. So I kind of understand him.

I went to a comic con, in Milan, and met Roberto Galati. 

Galati is a guy that makes look even the worst of Liefeld - an author of which I rather liked his first work, Hawk &amp; Dove, by the way... it was a good Art Adams imitator, he just had a problem with tighs: he made them too heavy, but there was plenty of space to improve, I thought at the time - masterpieces of elegance, anatomic correctness, pose selection and background design. 

On top of it, the guy is a right wing nut that praise the ku klux klan every two panels - in the middle ones, he shouts Dirty Callaghanesque wailing about the so called &quot;illnesses of society&quot;: gay, lesbians, paedophiles &amp; commies  - so he&#039;s not exactly on my chords there, either.

He was (and probably, still is) thought to be the worst author to have distributed his work nationwide, in press stands, throughout all of Italy. It means he printed a good twelve thousands copies. 

I started chatting with him (nobody was caring about the guy, and he was really craving for some attention) with the clear intention of making fun of him. 

Maybe, even give him my rotting edition of Burne Hogarth&#039;s &quot;The Body in movement&quot; - btw, keep clear from that; it is spectacular, but it does not teach you how to draw human beings... not really - when I changed idea.

I wish to say that I was saved from making a comparable ass (that is, comparable to him... after talking with him, the guy REALLY WAS an asshole) of myself  by a sudden burst of intelligence, but it was the look on the face of his father. The guy that, legends said, opened a mortgage on his home to pay for the printing and distribution of the masterpieces of his son. 

I realized I wasn&#039;t angry at him because he made a horrible comic, badly drawn with an incoherent story and full of racist and fascist remarks. 

I was envious because, while being worse than me (and it takes quite a lot), he had tried it. Maybe too much (I hope he could keep the home, at the end), but he tried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A long time ago I had a moment like the one YellowHat had. So I kind of understand him.</p>
<p>I went to a comic con, in Milan, and met Roberto Galati. </p>
<p>Galati is a guy that makes look even the worst of Liefeld &#8211; an author of which I rather liked his first work, Hawk &amp; Dove, by the way&#8230; it was a good Art Adams imitator, he just had a problem with tighs: he made them too heavy, but there was plenty of space to improve, I thought at the time &#8211; masterpieces of elegance, anatomic correctness, pose selection and background design. </p>
<p>On top of it, the guy is a right wing nut that praise the ku klux klan every two panels &#8211; in the middle ones, he shouts Dirty Callaghanesque wailing about the so called &#8220;illnesses of society&#8221;: gay, lesbians, paedophiles &amp; commies  &#8211; so he&#8217;s not exactly on my chords there, either.</p>
<p>He was (and probably, still is) thought to be the worst author to have distributed his work nationwide, in press stands, throughout all of Italy. It means he printed a good twelve thousands copies. </p>
<p>I started chatting with him (nobody was caring about the guy, and he was really craving for some attention) with the clear intention of making fun of him. </p>
<p>Maybe, even give him my rotting edition of Burne Hogarth&#8217;s &#8220;The Body in movement&#8221; &#8211; btw, keep clear from that; it is spectacular, but it does not teach you how to draw human beings&#8230; not really &#8211; when I changed idea.</p>
<p>I wish to say that I was saved from making a comparable ass (that is, comparable to him&#8230; after talking with him, the guy REALLY WAS an asshole) of myself  by a sudden burst of intelligence, but it was the look on the face of his father. The guy that, legends said, opened a mortgage on his home to pay for the printing and distribution of the masterpieces of his son. </p>
<p>I realized I wasn&#8217;t angry at him because he made a horrible comic, badly drawn with an incoherent story and full of racist and fascist remarks. </p>
<p>I was envious because, while being worse than me (and it takes quite a lot), he had tried it. Maybe too much (I hope he could keep the home, at the end), but he tried.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://superfunadventuretime.com/2009/08/09/avengers-avenged/comment-page-17/#comment-9314</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 1995 I was introduced to Liefeld by a friend on mine at an Image party at SD Comic Con. He said, &quot;Rob I&#039;d like you to meet Rob!&quot; I extended my hand and Liefeld looked at it, and turned his back to me. A really swell guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1995 I was introduced to Liefeld by a friend on mine at an Image party at SD Comic Con. He said, &#8220;Rob I&#8217;d like you to meet Rob!&#8221; I extended my hand and Liefeld looked at it, and turned his back to me. A really swell guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Thage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 01:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just came here after doing a little poking around on TVTropes. All I have to say is this, despite being two years late and a dollar short:
It doesn&#039;t matter what you, I, or Jack Kirby think of Liefeld&#039;s art. He took time out of his life, time he probably could have spent enjoying his family (you know, the wife and children who love him?) to go to that convention, same as anyone else in the business does. They take a weekend they could be working, or spending with the family, or perfecting the world&#039;s most incredible sandwich, or whatever. They go to these cons to interact with us, the fans, and I (and many like me) take time to thank even those whose work I may not be all that enthralled with for coming.

In return, they get people like you, Mr. Coons. People who are not satisfied with saying their piece and moving on. People who think that the artists and writers are on their personal payroll, and that just because they bring DC/Marvel/Image/Dark Horse/Wildstorm/What-Have-You revenue, that they are entitled to the sorts of demands and behavior one would expect to see from a high-ranking industry executive on an exceptionally bad day. In fact, you didn&#039;t even say your piece in a reasonable manner. There was no mature discourse between you and Liefeld--you walked up and demanded an apology for him doing what he was hired by Marvel to do. It was something he did to the best of his ability, whatever shortcomings he may or may not have had and still has as a writer and artist. It was work that enough fans were satisfied by that he makes a more-than-comfortable living off of. It was work that you took it upon yourself to demand an apology for, as if he had personally slandered you or greatly wronged you in a manner that wanting &#039;revenge&#039; for over a decade would be acceptable for.

Liefeld, rather than get riled up, thanked you, said it was nice meeting you, and went about his day. In response, you bought him a how-to book, again in the hope of eliciting some great response. Well, you got your response, Mr. Coons, but it wasn&#039;t from Rob. It was from other professionals in the industry and other fans of comic books pointing out your behavior towards another human being. Few of them came to the defense of Liefeld&#039;s art. Most of them post for the same reason I&#039;m posting: you were a jackass. Worse, your blog post was self-aggrandizing bordering on delusional while video evidence and Liefeld&#039;s own interpretation of events paint a wildly different scenario. You claimed to have been the perfect real-world troll, confident, awesome, and scheming. To Liefeld, and the others  nearby, you were a socially-awkward individual who gave them the impression of someone with very little genuine social contact.

I suppose, in short, I pity you, Mr. Coons. I know where that shaking, mumbling, and stuttering comes from. I&#039;m extremely socially-awkward, and I&#039;m sure you&#039;re at least passingly aware of the adage &#039;it takes one to know one.&#039; You&#039;ve thoroughly alienated some of the biggest names in the industry, people I one day hope to meet at a con and share a few words (no matter how poorly-stuttered) with, yes, even Liefeld. I want to show them that not every socially-awkward individual is a spiteful bastard, and for those I may not be particular fans of, I&#039;ll continue trying to wipe the stain you&#039;ve put on our reputation clean by taking a moment to speak with them and thank them for keeping the industry alive in a time when paper media is on a sharp decline.

That&#039;s really all I have to say, a day late and a dollar short. Perhaps in the future you should try engaging in polite society and do your part to improve the reputation comic fans have; that just because we may not be the most socially-savvy fandom out there doesn&#039;t mean we&#039;re all spiteful and arrogant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just came here after doing a little poking around on TVTropes. All I have to say is this, despite being two years late and a dollar short:<br />
It doesn&#8217;t matter what you, I, or Jack Kirby think of Liefeld&#8217;s art. He took time out of his life, time he probably could have spent enjoying his family (you know, the wife and children who love him?) to go to that convention, same as anyone else in the business does. They take a weekend they could be working, or spending with the family, or perfecting the world&#8217;s most incredible sandwich, or whatever. They go to these cons to interact with us, the fans, and I (and many like me) take time to thank even those whose work I may not be all that enthralled with for coming.</p>
<p>In return, they get people like you, Mr. Coons. People who are not satisfied with saying their piece and moving on. People who think that the artists and writers are on their personal payroll, and that just because they bring DC/Marvel/Image/Dark Horse/Wildstorm/What-Have-You revenue, that they are entitled to the sorts of demands and behavior one would expect to see from a high-ranking industry executive on an exceptionally bad day. In fact, you didn&#8217;t even say your piece in a reasonable manner. There was no mature discourse between you and Liefeld&#8211;you walked up and demanded an apology for him doing what he was hired by Marvel to do. It was something he did to the best of his ability, whatever shortcomings he may or may not have had and still has as a writer and artist. It was work that enough fans were satisfied by that he makes a more-than-comfortable living off of. It was work that you took it upon yourself to demand an apology for, as if he had personally slandered you or greatly wronged you in a manner that wanting &#8216;revenge&#8217; for over a decade would be acceptable for.</p>
<p>Liefeld, rather than get riled up, thanked you, said it was nice meeting you, and went about his day. In response, you bought him a how-to book, again in the hope of eliciting some great response. Well, you got your response, Mr. Coons, but it wasn&#8217;t from Rob. It was from other professionals in the industry and other fans of comic books pointing out your behavior towards another human being. Few of them came to the defense of Liefeld&#8217;s art. Most of them post for the same reason I&#8217;m posting: you were a jackass. Worse, your blog post was self-aggrandizing bordering on delusional while video evidence and Liefeld&#8217;s own interpretation of events paint a wildly different scenario. You claimed to have been the perfect real-world troll, confident, awesome, and scheming. To Liefeld, and the others  nearby, you were a socially-awkward individual who gave them the impression of someone with very little genuine social contact.</p>
<p>I suppose, in short, I pity you, Mr. Coons. I know where that shaking, mumbling, and stuttering comes from. I&#8217;m extremely socially-awkward, and I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re at least passingly aware of the adage &#8216;it takes one to know one.&#8217; You&#8217;ve thoroughly alienated some of the biggest names in the industry, people I one day hope to meet at a con and share a few words (no matter how poorly-stuttered) with, yes, even Liefeld. I want to show them that not every socially-awkward individual is a spiteful bastard, and for those I may not be particular fans of, I&#8217;ll continue trying to wipe the stain you&#8217;ve put on our reputation clean by taking a moment to speak with them and thank them for keeping the industry alive in a time when paper media is on a sharp decline.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s really all I have to say, a day late and a dollar short. Perhaps in the future you should try engaging in polite society and do your part to improve the reputation comic fans have; that just because we may not be the most socially-savvy fandom out there doesn&#8217;t mean we&#8217;re all spiteful and arrogant.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tragedy in all of this is that most people know what an awesome, nice guy Rob Liefeld is, in spite of his trappings in art. Due to this fact, most people also know that you were a dick of epic proportions to a really nice guy. 

You really aren&#039;t entitled to an apology for anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tragedy in all of this is that most people know what an awesome, nice guy Rob Liefeld is, in spite of his trappings in art. Due to this fact, most people also know that you were a dick of epic proportions to a really nice guy. </p>
<p>You really aren&#8217;t entitled to an apology for anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Bootybay97</title>
		<link>http://superfunadventuretime.com/2009/08/09/avengers-avenged/comment-page-17/#comment-8158</link>
		<dc:creator>Bootybay97</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 07:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the ones defending Liefield you&#039;re unbelievably sad. You put this guy on the same level as other artists which is total bullshit because he&#039;s nowhere near the level of talent to even be justified in this way. There is no point in getting mad at Coons just because he had the balls to point out the obvious and you didn&#039;t. Losers.

Everyone who ever hired Liefield should be ashamed of themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the ones defending Liefield you&#8217;re unbelievably sad. You put this guy on the same level as other artists which is total bullshit because he&#8217;s nowhere near the level of talent to even be justified in this way. There is no point in getting mad at Coons just because he had the balls to point out the obvious and you didn&#8217;t. Losers.</p>
<p>Everyone who ever hired Liefield should be ashamed of themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: RLSucks</title>
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		<dc:creator>RLSucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 07:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand how some of you think what he did to Liefield made comic fans look bad. If anything it was long overdue that a real comic reader tell him how awful his work is. 

Rob Liefield is without a doubt the worst comic book artist ever allowed into the business. He has no respect for his fans to take the time and learn basic human anatomy. To make matters worse he STEALS sequential art from other artists, and then retraces it with minor changes in a sad attempt to pass it off as his own work.

Liefield should have studied a library of art books years ago. The fact that he made millions of dollars is incredibly insulting to aspiring artists who actually hone their craft before even thinking about getting into comics. 

I&#039;m still trying to comprehend just how in the hell anyone at Marvel or Image allowed what he illustrated to make it to print. Seriously, to me it&#039;s one of the biggest enigmas in the world of comics.

I attended a convention that he was at a few years back and saw how he acted towards some people. The best way to describe it was like watching an angry child try to scare people away so he could color his pictures with crayons by himself. Its somewhat of an exaggeration, but the vibe I got from this guy is that he was only there for profit and could give two shits about his fans. All I saw was an immature school boy, and it honestly made me want to knock his ass out. 

He should feel honored for having a magical aura of dipshit that allows him to fool any person more talented than himself into believing he can draw.
Holy crap I just figured out Rob Liefield&#039;s power!

Rob Liefield is the best example on what you should not do when learning to draw.

There is no defending this guy whatsoever. 
He cannot draw, is an idea thief and an asshole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand how some of you think what he did to Liefield made comic fans look bad. If anything it was long overdue that a real comic reader tell him how awful his work is. </p>
<p>Rob Liefield is without a doubt the worst comic book artist ever allowed into the business. He has no respect for his fans to take the time and learn basic human anatomy. To make matters worse he STEALS sequential art from other artists, and then retraces it with minor changes in a sad attempt to pass it off as his own work.</p>
<p>Liefield should have studied a library of art books years ago. The fact that he made millions of dollars is incredibly insulting to aspiring artists who actually hone their craft before even thinking about getting into comics. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m still trying to comprehend just how in the hell anyone at Marvel or Image allowed what he illustrated to make it to print. Seriously, to me it&#8217;s one of the biggest enigmas in the world of comics.</p>
<p>I attended a convention that he was at a few years back and saw how he acted towards some people. The best way to describe it was like watching an angry child try to scare people away so he could color his pictures with crayons by himself. Its somewhat of an exaggeration, but the vibe I got from this guy is that he was only there for profit and could give two shits about his fans. All I saw was an immature school boy, and it honestly made me want to knock his ass out. </p>
<p>He should feel honored for having a magical aura of dipshit that allows him to fool any person more talented than himself into believing he can draw.<br />
Holy crap I just figured out Rob Liefield&#8217;s power!</p>
<p>Rob Liefield is the best example on what you should not do when learning to draw.</p>
<p>There is no defending this guy whatsoever.<br />
He cannot draw, is an idea thief and an asshole.</p>
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		<title>By: Crooked.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crooked.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 19:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know that guy from the Something Positive webcomic? Mike Dowden, I think his name is?

Yeah, I think we found a real-life version of that guy. 

And for the record, Liefeld&#039;s &quot;art&quot; is the illustrated equivalent of a miscarriage followed up by a session of gang rape and torture. The guy&#039;s work is shittier than the drawing my eight-year-old niece hangs on her refrigerator. I don&#039;t know if Liefeld&#039;s a nice guy or not, but his art sucks. It sucks more cock than Amy Winehouse(well, not anymore), so don&#039;t think for a second that I&#039;m anything REMOTELY resembling a fan of his crap.

This is still a dickish, cowardly act. I&#039;m all for being a dickless coward. Hell, I wouldn&#039;t be such a successful internet troll if I wasn&#039;t from time to time, but that doesn&#039;t mean that such conduct deserves any kind of praise. This guy is a dickish, entitled little pussy who pulled a half-assed &quot;prank&quot; and expects the entire internet to lick his asshole just because the guy he pulled it on is a terrible artist. He gets no points from me for being so stupid as to expect anything but ridicule and scorn for doing this.

Plus his yellow hat is retarded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know that guy from the Something Positive webcomic? Mike Dowden, I think his name is?</p>
<p>Yeah, I think we found a real-life version of that guy. </p>
<p>And for the record, Liefeld&#8217;s &#8220;art&#8221; is the illustrated equivalent of a miscarriage followed up by a session of gang rape and torture. The guy&#8217;s work is shittier than the drawing my eight-year-old niece hangs on her refrigerator. I don&#8217;t know if Liefeld&#8217;s a nice guy or not, but his art sucks. It sucks more cock than Amy Winehouse(well, not anymore), so don&#8217;t think for a second that I&#8217;m anything REMOTELY resembling a fan of his crap.</p>
<p>This is still a dickish, cowardly act. I&#8217;m all for being a dickless coward. Hell, I wouldn&#8217;t be such a successful internet troll if I wasn&#8217;t from time to time, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that such conduct deserves any kind of praise. This guy is a dickish, entitled little pussy who pulled a half-assed &#8220;prank&#8221; and expects the entire internet to lick his asshole just because the guy he pulled it on is a terrible artist. He gets no points from me for being so stupid as to expect anything but ridicule and scorn for doing this.</p>
<p>Plus his yellow hat is retarded.</p>
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		<title>By: Lizzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lizzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob Liefield is a talented artist, granted his style is pretty ridiculous, it&#039;s really on Marvel for hiring him to draw their characters. And if Marvel came up to anyone and hired them to draw comics, who wouldn&#039;t go for it?

Honestly, I think you were aiming the criticism and jokes at the wrong person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob Liefield is a talented artist, granted his style is pretty ridiculous, it&#8217;s really on Marvel for hiring him to draw their characters. And if Marvel came up to anyone and hired them to draw comics, who wouldn&#8217;t go for it?</p>
<p>Honestly, I think you were aiming the criticism and jokes at the wrong person.</p>
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